This week’s episode of Good Girls Get Rich is brought to you by Uplevel Media CEO and LinkedIn expert, Karen Yankovich. In this episode, guest Jan Cavelle and Karen Yankovich talk about why you need community surrounding you as you grow your business.

Jan is an entrepreneur from the UK who has a few decades of running entrepreneurial businesses behind her. One she started from the kitchen table when her children were small and she was a single mother, to go on to build that into a multi-million turnover business. She has been involved in many campaigns to encourage others on their entrepreneurship journey and now does so through her writing. She writes articles on her own blog, a regular piece for Elite Business Magazine and others. She is also the author of two books.


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About the Episode:

Being an entrepreneur is intimidating. You have so many ideas in your head, and you don’t know which ones to do. Sometimes it can feel like you have lack of direction. To make it worse, a lot of people who are not entrepreneurs don’t understand where you’re coming from.

Thankfully, you’re not alone. On the Good Girls Get Rich podcast, we often talk about the importance of building the right community. In this episode, Jan Cavelle shares her experience with building the right community.

Build a community that will support you, help guide you, and cheer you on. You shouldn’t do this alone. No one should do this alone.

Listen in to learn why building community is so important!

Episode Spotlights:

  • Where to find everything for this week’s episode:
  • Introducing this episode’s guest, Jan Cavelle (1:59)
  • Jan’s story (3:25)
  • What is a multi-million turnover business? (6:32)
  • How Jan educated herself (8:10)
  • How Jan encourages others on their entrepreneurial journeys (10:29)
  • Reminder: you don’t have to do this alone (12:29)
  • The challenges Jan had along the way (13:53)
  • It’s hard to see yourself as others see you (18:15)
  • Jan’s books (20:24)

Magical Quotes from the Episode:

“There’s nothing more valuable to my business than the entrepreneurial relationships I build.”

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Karen Yankovich 0:00
You’re listening to the good girls get rich podcast episode 223.

Intro 0:06
Welcome to the good girls get rich podcast with your host, Karen Yankovich. This is where we embrace how good you are girl, stop being the best kept secret in town, learn how to use simple LinkedIn and social media strategies and make the big bucks.

Karen Yankovich 0:24
Hello there. I’m Karen Yankovich. And we have a really interesting show for you this week. You know, I don’t know about you. But when I first started my business, I don’t know, I had all these ideas, right. I had a million ideas and no idea how to do it. And I googled and I took courses and you know, it all came together eventually. Right. But you know, sometimes I think that when I look at other people, or maybe when people look at me, or when you look at maybe other people that seemingly have a business that you aspire to, we think it kind of just happens, right? Like, it’s just like, they’re just lucky or they worked hard, or they’re so smart. They’re smarter than me. And you know what, none of that is typically true. And I really loved this conversation that we have this week coming up with Jan, because she talks about her journey as an entrepreneur and her journey. As a woman building really successful business is helping others do the same. And it’s a behind the scenes that maybe you can relate to right, maybe you can relate to you know, we’ve talked a lot here on the show in the last few weeks about the connection and conversations we have to have. Well she had a friggin Rolodex, right like other she started her business. So I’m excited for you to hear this interview today. If you enjoy it, you know we love for you to share this. I’d love for you to take a quick screenshot of this and share it on social media. and tag me tag Jan, use the hashtag good girls get rich. And of course, I love your reviews. Let me know how you react to this. And if this journey sounds at all, like your journey, and if it’s inspiring you to kind of keep on keepin on the way Jan did. Alright, check this episode out. Okay, I have Jan cavallier. With us today. And Jan is an entrepreneur from the UK. She’s got a few decades of running entrepreneurial businesses behind her when she started from the kitchen table when her children were small, and she was a single mother to go on to build that into a multi million turnover business. She has been involved in many campaigns to encourage others on their entrepreneurship journey. And now does so through her writing. She writes articles on her own blog, a regular piece for elite business magazine and others. Jan’s first book was scale for success. Bloomsbury publishing, aimed at helping entrepreneurs grow their businesses, during the big leaf of big leap of one to 10 million. And her second book is starved for success is to encourage aspiring and early stage entrepreneurs who want to build fast growing, but sustainable businesses. And that launches in January of 2023. So Jan, so excited to have you here today.

Jan Cavelle 2:48
I’m very excited to be chatting to you. It’s great. Thank you for asking me. Yeah, well,

Karen Yankovich 2:53
listen, I mean, it’s an exciting time for you, you’ve got a new book coming out soon. And yeah, so much good stuff. But I guess, you know, like, I kind of want to jump into your journey a little bit if that’s okay. Because many of our listeners are women, and some are, you know, trying to run their business while they’re single moms or moms, or their kids are small, some of them are in, you know, listen, we’re recording this, it’s, it’s the fall of 2022. And we’re just kind of what’s going on with the world. Right? Are we ready? Are we in a pandemic? Are we not in a pandemic? You know, are we oh, we, you know, but what’s happening to businesses, so many, many people are in a new chapter in their lives and rewriting what they think is the rest of their lives. So I think your story would be interesting, because you kind of started the business at your kitchen table. So tell us about that business?

Jan Cavelle 3:39
Well, I think it’s a case in point because just as you were saying, you know, we don’t know the future for any of this. And I’m very much and that started simply because I couldn’t see a future I didn’t expect and couldn’t see a way forward into the future. But I planned so because I find myself newly divorced and upset dependent LIS with children in a difficult ex who couldn’t pay any money. You know what, like,

Karen Yankovich 4:07
I know what that’s like. Wow.

Jan Cavelle 4:09
Yeah. Yeah, not much fun. So you know, you have to fight and you have to fight really hard. So so I didn’t want to be a single mom just on income support. So I went to them and I said, you know, I’ll tell you more instead of you putting up with me forever and paying out for all of us and keeping us How about much special investment for the government would bear to support me while I started business, which they did I don’t think any government’s actual export and and, of course, it’s a long time ago, but it’s worth a shot.

Karen Yankovich 4:44
I love that you asked. Absolutely. That’s the most important part of that. You know, if you don’t ask the answer is always no. Right. So, So Richard,

Jan Cavelle 4:51
good point. So yeah, I did ask him and I got it. Yes. And nobody was more amazed than me but it got got me a job. Old to sustain food on the table, I started and I actually I had a shelf under the stairs in this tiny cottage, and it was pre internet days. So I just had a fax phone and called index box. And I started phoning people to sell them goods that I didn’t have that I was going to buy in on to sell on, which is actually, you know, what I did over selling operation and tomorrow’s it was for many. Yeah.

Karen Yankovich 5:32
So wait, let me just let me repeat this. So you, you basically said I can if you were calling people to buy whatever, let’s just call it a pen, you were calling people to buy a pen. And then when they bought the pen, you would buy the pen, and then sell it to them for more money than you bought it for? Yeah. So you didn’t even have inventory that you had to pay for upfront? No, that’s brilliant.

Jan Cavelle 5:52
I mean, it’s, it’s a great way to start actually, yeah, if you find yourself in that situation. And there’s a limit to how much trouble you can get into because, you know, once you first pen, nobody’s gonna send you a second one. So it’s fairly safe, all the way around for everybody concerned. And yet, it does teach you. I mean, we’re talking basic fiscal controls, but it does teach you basic physical control, and a very sort of instant effect. If you’ve got a sale, you know, how clever you’ve been and what you know how exciting it is to get a sale.

Karen Yankovich 6:32
I love that. So then you talked about that you started doing, you know, well, what happened to that? What is a multi million turnover business? Tell me what that means is that I don’t I’m not actually even sure what that term means.

Jan Cavelle 6:42
Well, it means for literally, the turnover was into the multi millions, you know, as opposed to 1 million requests into between two and three.

Karen Yankovich 6:52
So turnover, meaning the amount of product that you were purchasing and selling. Exactly. It’s the word turnover that I was catching up. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I know, Wow, are you still running that business?

Jan Cavelle 7:04
No, I’m not. I mean, if it’s, I ran it for a long time. I mean, I went from from my kitchen table, same business. And you know, people just kept on buying and kept on asking, and it got got gradually impractical to buy stuff in and just made more sense to make it and supply it. And that’s exactly what happened. So, you know, I ended up with two factories and 50 odd people working for me at one stage. So, it was a substantial operation. And you know, gradually, what, of course, once the kids left home, you never, I was a bit lost, I’d quite see why I was doing it. And, you know, we’re talking over a long period of time. And, you know, I kept on thinking I’ll sell it, not, I won’t sell it, I’ll sell it, I won’t sell it. And that’s, that’s something you must never do always have a clear plan on what you’re going to do. Because eventually I’ve just been on target. I’ve been doing it for over 20 years. And you know, with the kids, I think single mom, which in itself is very testing and exciting. It’s worth it. But you know, it does take it out, you

Karen Yankovich 8:10
know, can we take a step back, though, I would love to know, how did you educate yourself on you know, I mean, listen, I feel like anytime you go from making $100 to $1,000, there’s a new education and then $1,000 to $100,000, there’s a new education and then, you know, 100,000 to a million. Like, there’s I think there’s no end, right? We’re every time we hit a new level, there’s new mindset challenges, there’s new identity challenges, and then there’s new business challenges that we’ve never had to experience before. Right? How did you manage all of that growth? What At what point did you start to get help?

Jan Cavelle 8:42
Yeah, that was really interesting. Because I mean, there couldn’t be anybody more ignorant of the start. And I was, you know, I really knew nothing about business. I didn’t know other entrepreneurs. You know, it’s I just kept my head down and kept selling where they are. And that’s good in some ways. And if you’ve got a very successful or sales operation, you know, that’s obviously going to be a great thing. But you can oversell and that can business problems, but I can come back to that. But yeah, I mean, I was incredibly ignorant. And it was only really when things began to sort of stabilize, I don’t know certainly sort of 1.5 up which I began to think I should learn something somewhere online. I don’t know what I’m doing. And so I better go and actually learn. So I joined high, high growth entrepreneurs club in London, and I loved learning it was the first opportunity I’d have to do it since school where I was a horrible pupil. And you know, I just fascinated with the whole thing and I just started soaking up always information and fun, the whole concept of entrepreneurship, everything I didn’t know, eye opening riveting other entrepreneurs fascinating me love to die,

Karen Yankovich 10:02
there’s nothing, there’s nothing, I think there’s nothing more valuable to my business than the entrepreneur relationships that I build. They’re the ones that get what I’m going through. They are the people that don’t get what I’m going through, don’t care about me, but they don’t get it right. So they don’t really know how to support me. It’s the entrepreneur friends that get it when you’re when you hit a milestone that nobody else would understand, like your email list or something. Right. Interesting.

Jan Cavelle 10:25
Not so Neilsen, I couldn’t agree more. So then

Karen Yankovich 10:29
you moved into encouraging others on their entrepreneurship journey. So what did that look like?

Jan Cavelle 10:35
Well, that’s at a time, you know, when you get fat start growing very fast. You know, even before I started learning, you know, people start to notice or bid on local or even we won the national award and things. And so in the course of that, there happened to be a campaign being run by the British government, to ask for volunteers, a few women to volunteer for any new campaign to encourage entrepreneurship, particularly female, because there were really hardly any female entrepreneurs around came back. And you people didn’t consider it as a career of particularly women. Right. And so somebody asked me if I’d be interested to cut long story short, I was one of the first 50 women to do it, which was fascinating. It was a you got to talk to other entrepreneurs from different countries in the EU, when we were in it. And, you know, find out how it worked in their countries and all sorts. So So yeah, that got me launched into supporting entrepreneurship, and it got me out of home, talking,

Karen Yankovich 11:38
what did that look like? Were you were you coaching? Or were you just run, you know, like, what?

Jan Cavelle 11:45
You know, we would go I mean, first day doesn’t say, really, I used to go to countries several weeks bank, build knowledge between us and share it share what was working and what wasn’t. But also, we were going into universities, schools, and giving talks on the advantages of Bitcoin, but it was available, sort of doing mini shark tanks, if you like, that sort of thing. And we were going into business groups so quickly, and seeing if we could open up an enterprise hub somewhere, which we’re trying to girlfriend did for a while locally, and got other entrepreneurs who knew to mentor for free, and anybody who was thinking of getting your business off burned, just anything we could do to feed that need.

Karen Yankovich 12:30
Hey, there, I just wanted to jump in real quick and remind you that you do not have to do all the things that Janet and I did by yourself, because you’ve got me, I am here to support you, not only with this podcast, but our she’s linked up program has the most incredible women in IT community of women. It’s just I mean, it’s something I’m grateful for every single day when I wake up. And it’s a program that teaches you how to build the kinds of relationships that can change your business, change your life, change your bank balance for ever, you don’t need to do the Rolodex thing that Jan did, we’re gonna do the 21st century version of that, use LinkedIn to do it. And that system that we teach is very simple, and so effective, and so easy to implement, or I should say simple, maybe not always easy, but it’s simple to implement. I’m here to support you, it all starts with a quick phone call, just go to Karen, grab a spot on our calendar. And we’ll tap chat. And we’ll see if getting you some support that you can build your business to multiple six, seven figures and beyond, you know, pretty quickly is a reality. And I’d love to brainstorm with you and see if I can help you see a path to make that happen. And if so, I will tell you what that looks like. Karen is the first step to learning more about our she’s linked up program. So check it out. And then remember that you’ve got me, you’ve got Jan, you’ve got lots of resources to support you. You are not in this alone, we are in this with you. So let me ask you this, you’re coaching entrepreneurs now and you’re reflecting back on your journey as you’re coaching them, and you’re bringing that experience to you. Were there any, I’m gonna maybe say mistakes or challenges or when you look back at your journey, and then you were bringing that experience to other entrepreneurs. Were there anything? Was there anything that stood out that you experienced, that you didn’t want them to have to experience? Or that you? You know, what I mean? Like, what, how? What, you know, when you look back at your entrepreneurial journey, what kind of advice are you giving to these people that were just starting out?

Jan Cavelle 14:23
So, I mean, I think, you know, at the time when I was taking that first campaign, it was very much have you heard of entrepreneurship? You could do it if you want to? It’s more a question, but sort of thing. You know, now when I talk to entrepreneurs, you know, I learned so much from my mistakes, you know, better late than never. And it was one of the reasons I wrote the first book, because I hadn’t ever realized really, that it was so hard to do that big leap. You now I mean every time but that one here sandwich about startups getting hard, but not much about Is that next leap popping hard? And in actual fact, it is. It’s really hard. And it’s where even more businesses go. And I could see a moment I was aware of that. But it wasn’t just me, which was this what we think, isn’t it? I’m no good at this.

Karen Yankovich 15:15
Yeah, that whole imposter syndrome, right? You experienced that?

Jan Cavelle 15:20
Gosh, yes. Absolutely. From the start, and I still do not. But yeah, I mean, you know, business wise, I experienced it tremendously. I remember if we’ve got time, I’ll tell you this story.

Karen Yankovich 15:31
Please tell us I want to know, I want to know how you go. You know what you did about it? Well,

Jan Cavelle 15:35
first of all, I mean, I’ve had impostor syndrome either. But the very first award I was up for, I can’t remember how I got nominated. But we went for a nice free dinner, me and my son, again, didn’t expect to live during the summer. But you notice, all the cosplays quite exciting. And we were placed behind a pillar set that can clearly be work. Anywhere the there was another company I was up against, from Cambridge University, and they were bio chemists and investigating something I’d never heard of, and clearly really, you know, up there. So I sort of relaxed and started having a glass of wine. And then I heard my name. I mean, I just I was on the floor with this, this can’t be me. I shouldn’t be beat yet leave alone be called out. And I remember going up to the stage, you know, blue tape, it was get up. And I went up the steps. And that nice lady at the top, big, you know, bouquet of flowers. And I tripped on the steps because I went flying sort of kaboom in nearly into her straight pasture. Because it was the only way I could actually stand up again, in and stagger to the lectern, and then sort of grab that whatever it was in a statue or whatever. And straight on the other side. I mean, I just, you know, the whole thing was absolutely. I think I made such a fool of myself. But yeah, I mean, I didn’t think I belonged.

Karen Yankovich 17:08
Yeah. So So, I mean, did that just go away gradually? Or did you know, was there anything in particular that you did to combat that? That came and

Jan Cavelle 17:17
went, you know, and like I said, it still does, I mean, even with writing is, which in some ways is worse, because it’s even more personal. Now I get I get, you have to ask for reviews and doing some, particularly pre pre launch of a book. Right, and I sit there, you know, most times, I can’t believe it happens again, this time. And I think I’ve sent off this copy of the book to people, I was gonna write back to me and say, you can’t write and I’m not weighing some matter with me. I can’t believe I’m back here. But yeah, just, I think, mostly, you have to recognize it for what it is. And so this is in my head, it’s not based. In fact, this is just watching, too, and how your brain goes, and, you know, the moment you start to actually see a fair for states, which is fair, it’s fair, completely out of your depth. You know, so well really worth helping me and,

Karen Yankovich 18:15
and, you know, I’ve been known to say it’s, nobody should write their own LinkedIn profile, because it’s really hard to see yourself as others see you it’s really hard to women, particularly to shine a light on their genius. We say, I got this, don’t worry about it. You know, but we need more than that. People want to work with the best in the industry. Right? And yeah, and we’ve got to show up looking like and behaving like and, and shining a light. I did an episode a couple of episodes before this, I think it’s episode 210. For I will link it in the show notes. And I talked about the fact that if you are not, if you are not standing out from the crowd, you’re invisible. And I and I think that that’s true, and if but but we it’s on us, there’s nobody but us that can take us out of that invisibility state and into this visible state. And it is, you know, it is scary. And I often think to him, I’d love to hear your thoughts on this. Sometimes I think it’s the people we know, that we’re most worried about. And people we don’t know, right? Like if you know somebody and you reach out to them and say, Can you give me a you know, can you or whatever, it’s not the people we don’t know that we’re worried about, it’s the people we do know, right? And then honestly, who cares? Right? But

Jan Cavelle 19:25
I think you’re absolutely right. It is those people who who you care about and one or two you really respect and you’d actually ask me all to be nice to you. Again, okay, but scale, I optimistically said said some rather big name over here. And, you know, he’d quickly written back and surprised by my slight fall of time, and then I got an email from him saying, Have you got five minutes on the phone? It’s gonna be nice to me and told me as I got through, and he said, I absolutely loved it. I couldn’t stop. You know, I’m really you know, so stomp, you know, but But why did we work ourselves up into this expectation of rejection? It’s very odd.

Karen Yankovich 20:07
I don’t know. But I will say that’s another reason why I my entrepreneur friends or my lifeline? Yeah, because they’re the ones that get that because other people will say to me, Well, maybe you should just go get a job. And if you’re not worried if, you know, like, Yeah, that’s probably not gonna happen. I just need to be talked off the ledge, you know? And then, you know, then it’s all good, right? But let’s talk about the the place that you’re in right now. Right? So you are, you’ve had your When did your first book come out?

Jan Cavelle 20:31
Just as for pandemic restarting, which is your time frame book launch, actually, because, of course, with a publishing company, like Bloomsbury, you know, they sell a lot of books at the stores and the stores closed, which was unfortunate timing, but I’d still done it, I’d still got a contract with Bloomsbury. So I was still very happy. But it wasn’t very good timing. And of course, business was changing. So fast join those following today. Yeah. You know, I was aware a lot of the good principles in scale, are still worse absorbing, you know, there really are I look back and think well, yeah, I remember I learned a lot from that. But equally, there’s bits, I think, the more I sought budget over time, the more I talk, which I put out in that’s relevant. You know, and that’s another reason why I wrote another one.

Karen Yankovich 21:20
Change it is and I think, you know, I love that. It’s interesting, because when I first looked at your, at your bio, I was like, interesting that she wrote scale for success, before start for success, because just my logical brain goes start comes before scale, right. But I think that that’s actually brilliant, because I feel like post pandemic or again, wherever the hell we are in the pandemic world. So many people are in a new chapter. And so many women, particularly those that are men, men, they don’t want to go back to the office, they may be, you know, they’re looking at what other options they have. And it was so funny, I come from a family of teachers, so everybody had job security and pensions and all this stuff. And, and I did not right now. Now, I feel like now of teachers are not a good example of this, because at least around here, they’re in high demand. So they’ve got a lot job security. But really, what ended up happening was, the entrepreneurs were the ones that made out really well during the pandemic, generally, because they knew how to pivot. They knew how to do this. But people that had paychecks that were getting laid off their company was following people and they didn’t know what to do. So I do think that there’s what I’m seeing is many, many people that have never been entrepreneurs are starting to open their minds that possibility. So I think that I think it’s brilliant to have start for success coming out now. So

Jan Cavelle 22:37
it’s textbook publisher, if you wanted to do scale, it’s next to Bloomsbury, who felt that scale was more relevant. But But yeah, the result, I’d say, I’m gonna assume 2023 is going to be a year where we see so many people start businesses. So I hope it comes in a real service book, as well as I mean, it was a joy to ride. I love doing it, because apart from getting reviews, but yeah, no, it was it was fabulous, right? I wanted to do something, as I said, that filled the gaps. I wanted to do something that talked about and gave a really real picture of entrepreneurship, because there’s a lot of highly imaginative stuff written about entrepreneurship to to sort of built up an image to create a guru, you know, and it doesn’t really answer the day to day life of the ups and downs, the moment you can find the moment you take your hair, I bet you incredible highs, but you know, it’s totally challenging. You know, and people do get very isolated, and I wanted to link people up with with that reality and make them think that’s not just me, like I always did, you know, fat escape, but it’s what entrepreneurships by. So I think that that’s a big thing of budget, you know, but it is very relatable and very real. And there are also quite a lot of anecdotes in it from other entrepreneurs, which which give examples. So try and use, I mean storytelling, really. It’s nicking stories, you know, lots of entrepreneurs to give points of anything from conversational selling to finance, you know, and but it’s a good way to learn, I think. And I think it’s also nice to learn from other entrepreneurs because it goes back to your point of a get it,

Karen Yankovich 24:32
right. Well, your book is scheduled to be released January 25 2023. So that’s exciting. We can link to your website where people can get information about when it when it’s released, is that

Jan Cavelle 24:45
that’s why we’re doing a pre release beforehand. I’m not absolutely sure when that starts, whether it’s just for just after Christmas, but there’s also you know, that’ll be on the website, you can sign up for latest news. We’re having a bit of a launch party with special discounts. Have some things up for go. So you can sign up for that. So, so yeah, go to the website and China launched launched launch tribe.

Karen Yankovich 25:10
And that would be great. I’m going to be part of your launch tribe. And I recommend everybody as a part of their of her launch tribe, because why not be right, this is how we build relationships. And you know, I’m just gonna put a little thing in a little plug in here, right? Like I you guys, I know that I know that our listeners really do connect with the guests that we have on the show, I hear from our guests all the time. But Jan will remember, if you purchase her book, talk about her book, tag her on social media, with you know that you just read this book, Jim will remember this. So just connect with Jim just buy the book, write the book, and then read the book. And then if you feel if you’re feeling it, you know, of course, write a review, because Jan will remember that. And then, of course, tag her in social media posts, if you’re talking about the book, you know, connect with her in places on social media, Jim will remember that, and this is how we start to build those relationships. And you know, we don’t know where that’s going, right? Like, you just don’t know where that’s gonna go. But you never know. And you want to have a network full of these brilliant people like Jan, that can, you know, you never know where those relationships will go. So So yes, of course, buy the book. But take it a step further be of value, evaluate

Jan Cavelle 26:17
any field, send it, whatever.

Karen Yankovich 26:20
And that’s at the heart of what we teach here. Like it’s really about building the relationships, of course, we want people to get on our stuff and watch our stuff. But it’s that next step, that is where the real power is in relationship building, is that taking it to an actual conversation? By providing value, right, by providing value and saying, you know, I love this book, because you all need to read chapter four, because in here, she talks about this, this or that, right? Whatever that is, it’s, it’s when we’re providing value to the people in our network. That’s where networks become really, really powerful. And so there’s my little teaching moment in this podcast. Hope you didn’t mind that, Jan. No,

Jan Cavelle 26:56
that’s a great choice. Yeah,

Karen Yankovich 26:59
yeah. Well, thank you so much for being here. today. I look forward to getting that book, I want to make sure I get scale for success, too, because it looks really interesting. And I noticed on your website, you get the first chapter. So if anybody

Jan Cavelle 27:10
falls, because that’s just the process, we’re just updating your website.

Karen Yankovich 27:15
won’t be there when you listen to this. So so let’s get the first chapter of the new book.

Jan Cavelle 27:22
Yeah, but we will do something like that. And as I said, if you sign up for, you know, being part of the tribe, you’ll get lots and lots of good use and hopefully,

Karen Yankovich 27:32
perfect. Well, I would, that would be great. All right. So everybody, go to the links below in the show notes and get the link to the website, get on the list so that you get notified when the book comes out. And then be a part of Jan’s launch tribe. And let’s let’s let’s lift each other up here. Thanks for being here.

Jan Cavelle 27:48
My pleasure. Thank you for inviting me.

Karen Yankovich 27:50
I hope you are as inspired by Jan, as I was, I you know, it’s always interesting for me to hear the backstories of some of the people that are seemingly running very successful businesses and to see how they got there, right. So you know, if you can relate to that, then know that you don’t have to do this by yourself. There is so much more support out there now for you than when I started when Jan started. There’s me for example, I’m happy to help you just go on over to Karen If you want to grab a spot on our calendar and talk about how you can build a business, my my goal is for there to be more wealthy women of influence in the world. And that starts with more money in the bank, right? Always, always, always, money is what can affect change the fastest and give us the kind of influence that can make the kind of impact that is there for you to make. So our shoe synced up program is the best program on the market to help you build the kinds of relationships that can build your business to a quarter million dollars and beyond all starts with a quick phone call Karen get you on the calendar. I would love to see your name on our calendar. And if you love this right if you love this episode today, then you know I love to hear from you. So I’d love to get a review from you. Tell me what you thought of this episode. Go on over to Karen to three you’ll see the notes for all the things we talked about on the show and share it with your social media audience tag me tag Jan will share with our audience and this is how we all lift each other up. I’m here for you. I’m here for you this week. I’m here for you next week. I’m here for you beyond and I look forward to hearing to seeing you next week with another episode of The Good girls get rich podcast