267 – Test Anxiety in Adults with Tina Wiles

Karen Yankovich 0:00
Hello, hello, welcome to the good girls get rich podcast. This is episode 267 And it is also New Year’s Day 2024 when this has been really so happy new year, I’ve been spending a lot of time in the last few weeks and few months I like kinda like to call q4, like the on ramp to 22 the new year so I love that I love just love the energy of a new year. I know that it you know, the calendar just flipped one day, right? It’s just still one day, but I love that the energy of a new year. So I’m so excited to be able to do this episode with you today, because I think this is such an important topic. And I have Tina Wiles with us here today I’m gonna do this episode with Tina. Tina is a passionate educational strategist and the heart behind my tutor, a woman on venture of revolutionising test preparation. With over 17 years of expertise. Tina specializes in conquering test anxiety, transforming it into confidence and success. At my tutor, Tina empowers students, professionals and educators alike, turning the daunting task of test taking into an opportunity for triumph. Using her experiences as a mother of four sons and industrial engineer and a certified high school math teacher. Tina should have a crown on her head. But Tina has created an innovative approach combining knowledge of test content with effective anxiety management techniques, her goal to guide test takers of all ages towards peak performance with unwavering competence. Tina, I’m so

Tina Wiles 1:23
happy to have you here today that biosphere was a mouthful. No, it’s

Karen Yankovich 1:27
a good it’s a good one. It’s a good one. It really is a good one. I love having you here. So Tina and I met we were both participating in a program early in 2023. And then we moved on to Tina. And when I got started in this business, I love Tina’s business. And then she was looking for some help with her business. So I got the absolute pleasure to be able to help Tina make some shifts in her business. So we’ve really been like connected for this year. And I love that we’re kind of kicking off 2024 with this energy of you know, of stepping into this year and this next chapter. Yeah, it’s

Tina Wiles 2:01
all it feels like a fresh slate. Right? Yeah,

Karen Yankovich 2:05
right. Yeah. Yeah, it does. And it is like just another day. Right. But there’s, I don’t know, there’s something about it. There’s something about it. There’s something about the energy of it. And you know, it’s interesting you if you’re listening to this going, well, Karen, why do I care about like tutoring like you admitted Mike, my kid need to be listening to this? The answer to that is yes. And no. Because there’s a lot what I loved about Tina, and was why I was so excited to get a chance to help her with this mission is that part of Tina’s mission. And test prep is not just helping the kids that are needed to pass their SATs to get into college. But think about the 1000s, probably hundreds of 1000s maybe more of adult grown adults who need to take a test that are getting stuck in their careers, right. Like your real estate, you really want to be your heart isn’t you want to be a real estate agent. But you have such anxiety, you can’t take the test or I’ve been Tina can list, a long list of industries has happened to it. I never heard of anybody that was really serving that market. So you know, I’m all about like, I want them to be more wealthy women in the world. And this is something that was really, I think, holding a lot of people back that the anxiety of having to take the test to be able to step into the next chapter of their lives. So what made you like, let’s start with that. What made you start to think about beyond your own journey and experiences and helping, you know, students and kids with test prep, thinking about the adults that needed this support as well.

Tina Wiles 3:31
It was interesting, and part of it is like just being as an entrepreneur, right? Luckily, I kind of had all my ducks in a row when this crazy Opportunity landed in my lap. It was someone contacted me because they knew that I worked with high school kids, I say T and AC T. And they work for a group of schools, mortuary schools where the mortuary students once they graduated, we’re failing their national board exams to the point that the school was at one of the schools was on academic probation, in jeopardy of losing their accreditation. Because they had so many people failing, right? And then all of a sudden, it was like this light went on of oh my gosh, just because some like the kids that had anxiety issues in high school grew up to be adults that have anxiety issues when they have to take these exams, and even more so because it’s not just, you know, how I do like depends on it. But it’s like what I do as a living and the work I’ve put in for the past couple of years depends on the results of an exam.

Karen Yankovich 4:44
Brain and you know, I’m sure there’s somebody that’s sitting going right what did they ever think about this before? Because that’s how I felt when I heard that I was like, Wait, of course that’s true. How many people are under employed and not living out their dreams because of us think and test it Right, like, it’s, I guess it’s a necessary evil in or it’s just necessary, so called evil, but it’s necessary to, you know, to for accreditation and to get to to get the certifications and things you want. But there’s so many industries, you know, there’s all the financial planning industries have to take tests. Right. And I didn’t, who would have ever thought I would have never thought of a mortuary school. Right. But of course, you know, it’s important that your morticians know what they’re doing and that are, have, you know, graduated and, and, you know, I even say that with some of the programs I have, like, like, I just don’t want your money that you paid for to take this, I want you to, I want to know that you actually know the content. Right? And the only way to do that is to have a test of some sort.

Tina Wiles 5:40
Exactly. Exactly. And I mean, it’s firemen, and policemen and your hairdresser had the cosmetology license, right? Like, the number of people and trades, right, like any other trades. Everyone almost has these types of exams that they that they need to take, and there’s just so much pressure. And it’s shocking, that from the industries I’ve like, gone through and research, it’s about 50% of people fail these exams, the first time around is not just a couple, right? But no one was teaching. So they finally released all this data. And the, the test company that does the teaching exam for certification, finally went through and released and did all this analysis. 55% of teachers that have graduated from accredited schools have done their student teaching. 55% of them fail their teaching certification exam, the first time. Wow, Xu, and then easy 20% of those that failed, go on to never take it again. Oh, my gosh, like I Q went through school, you paid for school, you’ve done your student teaching, you’re literally obviously you graduated, right? Like, you know, the content, and you know what to do to be a teacher, but you fail an exam.

Karen Yankovich 7:06
That’s crazy. You know, I have one of my kids has a learning disability called dysgraphia. And I remember when he was in high school, it was really difficult because what dysgraphia is, is what’s in your head can always come out on a piece of paper, right? So I remember he was in a private high school. So they did not have to follow the rules that the public high schools have to follow around supporting kids with, with, you know, with learning disabilities, and he’s freaking brilliant. This kid. I mean, I mean, I know he’s my kid, but he’s brilliant. He remembers everything to the point where like, who knows this stuff, right? But I remember having a conversation with one of his teachers that was going to fail him and I think science or something, because he didn’t couldn’t pass the test. I remember standing in the room with him. And it was a Catholic high school, but I remember standing in the room with him and saying, does he know this content? And he says, he absolutely knows this content. I said, then how can you fail him? How are you going to make this kid take summer school? Because in my head, I’m thinking and I gotta drive him every day now, you know, for the summer? Like, how can you fail him? Knowing that he knows this content? And he was like, Well, I don’t know what the answer is, hopefully, you know, and he was, you know, I get it was a Catholic school. Hopefully, mother, Mary is going to help us with this. And while I’m all for my kids were in Catholic school. I was like, no, no, that’s not who we need help from here. Do you know what I mean? Like you have the power in your hands to take care of this. And he did end up giving, like passing him by like a point. Thank goodness, you know, but but, you know, I’ve personally experienced this the struggles that people have, like I said, this kid is, you know, brilliant. And yeah, as difficult as difficulty passing a test, because I remember when he was a kid, you quiz him and spelling and he knew every single thing. But then when he wrote him down, he couldn’t get any of it. Right.

Tina Wiles 8:41
Yeah. And that’s actually that’s a huge test for parents, right? Any parents out there? If, if what you said happens, right, like you can verbally ask them questions, and they can and they can explain everything. There’s some type of either there can’t get like dysgraphia, right where you can’t get into the paper. But even the test anxiety could be that extreme that they have the knowledge up here, but it’s like physical, emotional, or behavioral symptoms are causing it not to come out like it should during an exam. Right? Right.

Karen Yankovich 9:19
So tell me when you when you started to venture into this world of supporting adults with test anxiety so that they could live the life that they want to live in the life and the business and career of their dreams. How was it different than like the kid the kids you were working with prior to that, like the kids with the AC T’s into SATs,

Tina Wiles 9:39
so the with AC T’s and SATs, why I love doing that so much was because for me it was really about teaching life skills about how to deal with pressure situations. And and that’s usually the first experience that kids have with that right that high stakes exam and the death Friends when working with adults, is there is so much more mindset stuff there. Because it’s years of having issues, right? So in working with adults, it’s more about like having them get out of their own way. And just because you failed in the past doesn’t mean you’re gonna fail in the future, and so much changing answers, right, like I was everyone I talked to was like, I’m like, can you change your answers when you go? Oh, yeah. Right, because it’s that belief, right? Or they’re like, Well, if I chose this answer, it must be wrong. So I need to write because I always get questions wrong, right. Like that kind of stuff. Is Wow, more prevalent with adults than it is with the high school kids? Wow,

Karen Yankovich 10:46
that’s nuts. And I think about like, it’s a little heartbreaking. But I think about even like all the people that I deal with that because it’s because things like, like imposter syndrome are just so prevalent and normal, right? I mean, it’s all normal, right? There’s nothing that’s abnormal about any of us. But it’s, it’s so so many people have impostor syndrome, because, you know, when you’re going from let’s say, You’re a, let’s say, you work for a company, and you decide you’re not going to be in corporate anymore, you’re going to quit your job or retire. And you step into this new role as a realtor or an entrepreneur or a hairdresser or something, you take a test for not whatever, there’s an identity shift there, right? Like, you’ve you don’t know, you’ve never been an entrepreneur before. You’ve never been a hairdresser before. So how could you know how to be this person? So so there’s a there’s a kind of a natural, you know, feeling of imposter syndrome, but layering that on to the anxiety around taking tests? Seems seems like a mountain that people have to overcome.

Tina Wiles 11:45
Yeah, oh, it’s insane. Like the inner critic issues, and then just not trusting their instincts, and then dealing with the pressure, right of because then it’s usually a lot of people right now, instead of like in high school, where the pressure was just can I get this score to maybe get into a school or get scholarship money? Now, it’s, I need to get this score in pass, so I can pay my rent or my mortgage or right like the kids are

Karen Yankovich 12:16
dependent on it. My houses dependent on it? Yeah, I’m letting people down. If I don’t pass this test, oh, my gosh, yeah. Oh, my anxiety is going up.

Tina Wiles 12:25
I think that and not every test, but like the mortuary ones, it’s a three hour exam, you’re sitting in a testing room, which you almost have to go through like a strip search before you take the exam, because they like at these testing facilities, right? They make sure no cheating and any of that kind of stuff. You take a three hour exam, and when you hit submit, it comes up on the screen whether you pass or fail. Oh, wow. Oh,

Karen Yankovich 12:52
wow. Like if I sit there, like, I don’t wanna hit the button, I don’t wanna hit the big What should I change? Right? Like, oh, my gosh, yeah. Wow. You know, it’s, it’s, it’s wild. Well, I’m grateful that there’s people like you that recognize that there is a need for it. So let me ask you this, can you give if somebody’s listening to this? First of all, if you’re listening to this, and you know, people that might be experiencing this, definitely send this show their way? Because you’re gonna we’re going to tell you how you can connect with Tina, and how you can get some support on all of this. But can you give us a couple of tips that you that maybe like, are most common things you see, and the most common? Like, you know, simple ways to maybe overcome a couple of these things? I know it’s not simple. Right. But are there any tips you can give us for people that are struggling with this now? Absolutely.

Tina Wiles 13:34
So like I said, one of the most common things is people wanting to change their answer choices. And so my recommendation for that is, I tell people, like basically to pause. So before you change an answer choice. You want to make sure that it was wrong. Okay. And a lot of times people want to change it if they don’t think they’re right. Okay. And so my advice is, if you don’t think you’re right, leave it. If you know that you’re wrong, then change it. Right. Like I misread the question and right. Why that is, is because subconsciously, right. So like, I think our subconscious processes, the vast majority of what we’re exposed to, right, we’re bombarded with millions of bits of information every second, and our conscious mind can only process 40 to 50 bits of information a second. So temperature is a perfect example. So we feel the temperature all of the time, but that’s all subconscious. It’s only when it’s too hot or too cold. Our subconscious is basically like MAC MAC pads with mine do something about the temperature because I’m too hot or too cold. So the same thing happens when you’re going through an exam where you might not know why you chose an answer, but there was a reason that you chose it. And so that’s why you only want to change it if you know that you were wrong and firm. So that is a huge one. Another huge one that I’ve had people pass exams just off of this bit of information. And this is true on any multiple choice exam. So like high school like all these standardized tests the, the professional exams, if you don’t know the answer, like you can’t eliminate anything, you have no idea maybe it feels like the questions written in another language, pick the same letter all the way through the test for those either the questions that you have no idea, or if you run out of time, you pick the same thing all the way down. Okay. Okay. Why? Is because, statistically, so if there’s four answer choices, you have a 25% chance of getting it correct. And you could pick different answers, right? Like, we’ve seen pictures where people drew right pictures on their answer sheets and stuff. And you can get some right. But if you answer the same question for all the ones that you don’t know, or if you run out of time, statistically, you’ll still get a quarter of those questions. Correct?

Karen Yankovich 16:10
Oh, my gosh, that’s such that’s gonna make sense, right? Especially under stress and anxiety, who’s thinking like that? Right? Oh, my gosh, such good tips, such great tips. So let me ask you this. I definitely want to get people more information on how they can learn more about you. But tell me a little bit I mean, so let me go back to your your bio here, industrial engineer, high school math teacher, you know, test prep company, tell us that tell us about that journey. So I know the industrial engineer part.

Tina Wiles 16:47
So I loved math and science in high school. And I remember being a junior in high school. And I didn’t even know what an engineer was at the time, actually. And my mom was like, you are really good in math and science. And you actually really liked them, which doesn’t happen often you should look into engineering. So I did. I love that. And I went to University of Michigan, and majored in Industrial and Operations Engineering, which I did a emphasis in manufacturing. And the I worked for Motorola for about nine years. Um, manufacturing cell phones, like ancient like, these were the, like, original.

Karen Yankovich 17:33
I think everybody can picture that modern, their first Motorola, right, like

Tina Wiles 17:36
the original Star tax. This flips open, right? Yeah. So I worked on manufacturing those and I loved manufacturing, I loved working in engineering. And I, after I started a family, I still work for about a year and I was in by then I was in some supply chain stuff. Um, but if I would lived about an hour and a half away from where I was working, and I had a one year old, and one day, probably not the wisest decision I’ve ever made. I was just like, and I’m done. It wasn’t like, oh, I have this job. I’m gonna go do it. Right. It was just like, and I can no longer do this. And I kind of played around for a while I did some website stuff, right? I just, I didn’t like not doing anything. Um, and then a friend asked me to tutor her son and college level math. And I was like, hey, I really liked this tutoring thing. And I’ve always thought about teaching. So I, I started tutoring that grew and grew and I was I used to work for two. Well, Huntington like the strip mall place. And I worked for Sylvan or not so fun. Kaplan, so another test prep, but like found out AC T and se t was a big thing, which when I went to high school, it was like, wake up early, go to bed early Friday night, because you have a test on Saturday, right? But obviously, I was good. I was good at testing to good school. And I just found I had this ability to break things down. Very basic, I think part of that engineer, right, like it’s just take out all the fluff and here’s what you need to do. And after working at Kaplan for a couple of years, I was like, Okay, I was training other tutors in Chicago. I was the lead math and science tutor in Chicago and I was working for Kaplan publishing as well like helping them with writing books. I was like, why am I doing this for Kaplan so I went on my own by now that I had just had I left when I had just had my fourth son. And I made a bunch of materials and I thought about like building a business. And then I was like, I did not have the ability to say no. So this was the housing downturn. My husband works in the housing industry. So I was like, Oh, well, I just say yes to more people. So I was like, working seven days a week, crazy hours, like, and now I have four kids that I never see. I saw the little ones, but like the school age ones, right? I wouldn’t see. And I was like, I’m gonna go and get certified to be a teacher, because then my schedule will match up, right? Yeah, yeah, it did. But the job I got was working in inner city, Chicago, which is near and dear to my heart to help help that community, right, that I was working in. I love the students. But again, I ended up with a crazy commute, because I lived. I’m in the Chicago suburbs, right? So it was about an hour, hour and a half commute each way again. And I just, I gave everything I had two students, right. And then again, I’d get home and have nothing left for my own kids. Right. So I was like, this is not sustainable. I love working there. But I don’t. If I had ended up at different schools to begin with the story might be completely different, right. But when I left teaching, I was like, Okay, I really love what I was doing before I want to go into tutoring, even my doctor, because I had, I had a little little bit of a mental breakdown when I was leaving teaching, right? Yeah,

Karen Yankovich 21:43
I bet. I bet four boys, that’s all you need to be qualified for mental breakdown. I have three boys. I have four kids, one daughter, but I owe four boys is enough to give you a mental breakdown. Yes, but

Tina Wiles 21:54
I’m sitting in my doctor’s office and like sobbing, right? And she’s like, What are you doing? I’m like, Well, I said, I was gonna be a teacher. And so I’m teaching. And she’s like, No, you’re not going back. And you’re gonna start tutoring. And by the way, my daughter needs help with a paper this week, because I tutored her kids. And so then, that’s when I switched to basically becoming an entrepreneur. And I was like, if I’m gonna do this, this time, I really need to be legit. And instead of just a profitable hobby, I need to set it up like it’s a business. And so then that’s when, when things took off with with tutoring. That’s

Karen Yankovich 22:33
awesome. That’s amazing. And it’s, you know, it’s an interesting, it’s a typical entrepreneurial journey, right, no ladder to success, more like a roller coaster, especially for women, right, when we are trying to balance this as raising our kids. And, you know, I don’t typically live with regret about anything. But I know I missed out on a lot of things, you know, the way that I wish I was an entrepreneur earlier where I could have balanced my life with my family. And, and I think now, hopefully, somebody listening can is doing that a better job at that, then because there’s so much more opportunity available to us to create our own businesses. Yeah. And there were and I think even now, as we move into 2024, certainly one of the things we learned in the pandemic years was that sometimes our entrepreneur businesses have more security than corporate businesses, right. Yeah. So so this is our time. This is our time, especially women to I think this is our time. So what is on deck for you for 2024? What’s what is your business look like for this upcoming year? What are you? What are you hoping to achieve this year? And who are you hoping to help?

Tina Wiles 23:43
Really good questions? Yeah, so the I expanding the business. So I’m gonna I’ve had a couple contractors that I’ve worked with. The goal this year is actually to bring on a couple employees. And with a lot of the stuff I’ve been doing with the certification exams, and like more testing anxiety stuff, I wouldn’t say I’ve neglected the AC T and SATs. But that is a good business in its own in this area. Right. So I’m bringing someone to help manage that side of the business. We’re doing a lot around and one thing we haven’t even touched on yet is so the professionals right and like taking those certifications, exams is huge with test anxiety. But someone that I work with Dr. Lisa is called Teddy is she’s helped me with a lot of the stuff we’ve created and really good at the research and her area of expertise is actually professional development for teachers. Okay, and so, we’ve put together a whole program basically for doing professional development for teachers, so that teachers can help give their students in K through 12 The tools students need to basically learn to take tests and manage anxiety. Right. So basically, hopefully

Karen Yankovich 25:07
the goal would be for them to carry those tools through adulthood, right? So that there are more people or less people anxious about taking these exams and more people seeing the kinds of success that’s really there for them. Exactly.

Tina Wiles 25:20
And test taking is a skill, which means that you can learn how to take exams, right, like I just said, like little things like making sure that you pick the same answer for all the multiple choice questions if you write right that you can eliminate. So there’s specific skills that can be taught. And so we’re we’re working with school districts, and charter schools, to basically give the teachers the tools to teach the students. Yeah. So that hopefully, is going to be huge and 2024. I’ve also applied for a bunch of TEDx talks. So I fingers crossed, we’ll be doing a TEDx talk in 2024.

Karen Yankovich 26:06
Yeah, so really, my tutor the podcast, zero. Because I’m thinking about people out there that there’s like, No, I just don’t hear people talking about this. Yeah, yeah. Right. I just don’t hear people talking about this. And I. Yeah, I just think more people need to know that it’s, you know, again, it’s normal. Like we talk about imposter syndrome. It doesn’t make it go away. But maybe it helps us feel a little bit. Like we’re in good company when we’re having imposter syndrome. But I don’t think there’s that same there sense of community out there for people that are have test anxiety, I think they’re just working at Macy’s and not, you know, taking the job that they really want. Because they you know, they just don’t know how to get from here to there, right? Yeah, no, people like you exist. So we I actually talked to

Tina Wiles 26:51
someone who her I think it is her brother is Ken is definitely afraid of taking exams. And so he’s just going to work at Home Depot. And he’s decided he’s gonna do that for his whole life, because he can’t take exams and school. And he can’t go into a trade because you have to, like literally in his has defined his life. I’m going to work here because I know, I’m not going to have to take exams. And it’s heartbreaking. And what’s even more heartbreaking for me is that from the statistics that I’ve looked at, and these are really hard to find, but when people take the exam after they failed one time, you would think that the statistics would say that they’re more likely to pass the second time and the opposite is true, they’re actually more likely than not. And it’s because they’re don’t share with anyone that they have failed, right. And now they’re even more in their head. And most likely, they’re still studying the same way they studied the first time they failed, and they just need to switch things up a little bit. Right. But they’re not talking about it. And so, yeah,

Karen Yankovich 27:57
oh, my goodness, well, I’m down to help you get your message out. So anybody who’s listening, by the way, if you have an audience of people that maybe take tests, you need to connect with Tina and have them on your show or your introduce him to your audience. Because, you know, this is this is these kinds of collaborations are what we stand for here in our, in the good girls get rich podcast, and in our she’s linked up program, like really building strong collaborations, because this is a message that I think needs to get out there. And it’s, I think it’s life. I mean, I know it’s life changing for so many people. So Tina has a free quiz. I love that you have a quiz for people that have test anxiety. Tina has a quiz you could find at test anxiety, quiz.com, that gets you started to learn a little bit about the work that she does, and how to do some work with her. And that leads to an opportunity to book a call with Tina. So test anxiety quiz.com We’ll put all the links to this in all 16 of social media.

Tina Wiles 28:54
This isn’t a quiz that you pass or fail.

Karen Yankovich 29:00
That’s good to know. That’s good to know. But but definitely take you know, grab that spot, see where you feel on that grab some time and talk to Tina and or connect with her on LinkedIn and DM or about you know, just what it might look like to collaborate to get her her support to your test, anxiety ridden audience. So that your your peep, we all want, you know, like here, I’m here to just lift each other up. Right. So as I move into 2024, you know, we’ve got a lot of changes that we’re looking at, in our she’s linked up programs and because we’re always changing things, right, like Tina, you know, engineer, teacher, you know, entrepreneur, we’re always shifting things with the market. So we’ve got a lot of a lot of changes, but we do I do this because I want there to be more wealthy women in the world, period, which is why I have people like Tina on the show. Because if there’s one person listening that this helps, and helps them get over that hurdle so that there’s so that they can then create the income that they want in their world and that’s all feeds my goal. All right, have there been more wealthy women in the world. So that’s, you know, if you want to know what some of the changes are, that we’ve got in store for you in 2024, I’d love to see your name on our calendar, just go to Karen yankovich.com/call. It gets you to the calendar, and then we can chat about, you know, what it looks like to get some help with some of this stuff. You know, when when Tina came to me, we were talking traditionally, and she’s like, you know, she’s like, well, we got the, you know, I got these people. And so we can either go after a high school kid that’s gonna give you 20 bucks, or mortuary school, it’s gonna give you a big fat juice, or, you know, a corporation, like we flip the funnel, we’re like working on getting, you know, these bigger opportunities, because that’s how Tina can reach the most people. Right? Not, it’s win win win when you focus on the bigger opportunities, right, with Tina focused on cosmetology schools and mortuary schools and real estate schools and things like that she can reach hundreds and 1000s of people, not one high school senior at a time, right. So that’s what we stand for here. And she’s linked up and on the grid girls get rich podcast. And, you know, I feel like that same. That same concept could work for you. We don’t necessarily know what that looks like yet. But that’s what I love to do on these calls is to tease that out a little bit. Like, what does your big fat juicy opportunity look like? Because it’s easy, like you even said, like the SATs business keeps rolling. So it’s easy to keep doing that and getting another dollar or another dollar or another dollar from that. It’s a little bit of a longer process to go after the big nuts. But, you know, that’s where the bigger that’s where you’re building actual wealth into your business in your life. Right?

Tina Wiles 31:37
Yeah, and being able to help more people, right, like the, I love being able to help the individuals. But if I could teach teachers how to provide tools to students, right, like that changes millions of lives instead of 1000s of lives. Right? Right.

Karen Yankovich 31:55
So if you love what you heard today, or if you you know, have have other people that you think would be a good fit for this, I would love for you to share this episode. On your social media, we’re all about lifting each other up around here, right? I want, I want everybody to be connected with Tina, if if tagged, Tina tagged me, we will both share your posts with our audiences so that we get you more visibility, because that’s how we that’s how we do things around here. And, you know, if you go to the show notes for this episode, you’ll see a link for SpeakPipe. You can go to or you go to Karen yankovich.com/speakpipe. Leave me an audio message. And let me know what you think about this. What did you think about the show? Or is there a guest you think I should have on the show? Is there a topic you’d like to see me cover? I respond to every single one of those audio messages. Personally, I love getting them because it’s it’s kind of a way, which is a kind of what I like about this doing this video, by the way, too, as opposed to we just started doing video episodes, I feel like when it’s just me and a microphone, I’m just doing a lot of talk about you. Right? And when you leave me a message and SpeakPipe I can talk with you. Right? So this podcast, this video podcast makes me feel a little bit more like I’m speaking with you here, I’m really still kind of talking about you. So we’re looking to build more of that into our world so that we can so that you can feel more supported, right? And if you want to hang out with amazing people like Tina, on a regular basis, the people that I wake up grateful for every single morning of my life. Grab a spot on our calendar, because we get to hang out in our she’s linked up world with the best people. Am I right, Tina? I mean, people absolutely blow my mind that we get to talk to that we get to hang out with. Yeah,

Tina Wiles 33:30
and I just have to say, so if you are watching this and are listening to it, and you’re an entrepreneur, and you’re like I am I’m feeling kind of stuck, or I don’t know what to do to like, my first call with Karen was I know I should be doing something and, and LinkedIn. But I have no idea. Like I’ve I friended all these people, but I have no idea what I’m doing on LinkedIn. Right? Like,

Karen Yankovich 34:05
which is not perfect people, right? I know. I need to be there. Just help me just tell me what to do. Oh,

Tina Wiles 34:10
yeah, like I the advice and the conversations I’ve had with Karen, from the very first phone call we have where we talked about that have been invaluable. And what I’ve been able to accomplish and the goals like even just getting ready for next year and plans in place. And yeah, it’s it’s amazing. Thank you for making that. Yeah,

Karen Yankovich 34:36
and I love I love it’s a mutual admiration society. And spoiler alert, Tina, you don’t even know this. But spoiler alert, if we do have it as this as you’re listening to this in 2024 One of the things that we’re going to be doing a lot of infusing in our programs is more done for you stuff because the people we work with are busy. So we’re trying to we’re finding ways that we can do more Are you so that you can do what you do best. So we’re never going to log into your LinkedIn profile on your behalf but we’re gonna get all the way to the edge. So we’re working on stuff like that for you. So if you want know what it looks like, grab a spot on the calendar and don’t forget to, to follow the show wherever you’re listening to it so that you we’ve got lots of great shows coming for you this year, in 2024. I can’t wait for you to see what we’ve got in store for you. And I’ll be back here next week. Tina, thank you so much for being here. It was so great. It was so great to do this and I am so impressed with what you’re doing for the world. You’re in a space that is so needed. So thank you for all you do. And thank you all for listening.